Wednesday, November 18, 2015

BAT to test tobacco/e-cigarette hybrid


This is VERY interesting...


It's about time that some brave company (major or otherwise) gave this idea a shot.


I, for one, would be very interested in trying one, as I am certain would be many smokers.


Too bad it's not available in America....

British American Tobacco plans to test a hybrid product that combines tobacco and e-cigarette technology next week in a European market, a senior executive said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/18/us-brit-am-tobacco-products-idUSKCN0T71U020151118#hx2deF7k2e54gDRX.97

26 comments:

  1. I'm still waiting on the Philip Morris iQOS to make it here. I also wish that Pax would make pods for its PAX2.

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    1. Me too Larry. Pods for the PAX2 would be AWESOME!

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  2. I tried the Marlboro heatstick (regular) in the Philip Morris IQOS after ordering through eBay. I have to say that it is quite good. Better than vaping nicotine only eliquids. I'm also getting as a sample some special ground tobacco from a snuff manufacturer in the UK to put in my Gearspek Heaven vaporizer.

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    1. I didn't realize that it was possible to order an IQOS on eBay. I've been wanting to try one for a long time and I know a couple (well, more than a couple actually) of smokers that could benefit from trying one. Is is really that good? I've heard good reviews from a couple of people on a couple of UK-based blogs.

      Gearspek Heaven vaporizer? What's that like? How did you come across the ground tobacco that you're referring to and how is it different from regular snuff tobacco?

      Curious....

      Cheers:-)

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    2. Update:

      According to one seller on eBay, anyone interested in the iQOS over here in the States would have to contact customs and see if the heatsticks are classified as "cigarettes" or not. Ordering cigarettes (according to the seller) online (internationally or otherwise) has been banned in the U.S.. Other forms of tobacco such as snus are not banned from online commerce. I'd like to find out more. Clearly vaping a heatstick is not the same thing as SMOKING a Marlboro, but hey, technology often moves faster than politicians.

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  3. It's the closest thing besides the Ploom Model 2 that gives me the same satisfaction with regards to the whole tobacco alkaloids and with regard to ease of use. Just pop in a heatstick and click the button and enjoy. The Gearspek looks like a box mod. It heats up in 20 seconds and has variable temp. It's also a lot less than the Pax2 so it could be used as a backup in case you didn't want your expensive PAX to go missing. The ground tobacco comes from the manufacturer of some of the nasal snuff that I use. I'm a member of a nasal snuff board and Roderick of Toque snuff said that he wanted testers for his new upcoming product line.

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  4. The Gearspek Heaven is a rebranded eCapple that looks like a smallish box mod for vaping eliquids. At 90 bucks it's a nice backup for my more expensive PAX2. I like the PAX but wish that PaxLabs would make a tobacco pod for it. I'm actually surprised that there's no third party solution for this. I'm a user of nasal snuff and the company that I buy it from, Toque, is coming up with a new line of vapable tobacco to extend their product line. The guy who runs it wants testers to see if it's any good. Ive only used pipe tobacco in my vaporizers and it would be interesting to see what coarse ground snuff is like.

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    1. That's interesting. Can you ask the representative if it's a low-TSNA/low contaminant tobacco? Maybe he/she is not allowed to make health claims publicly about this new product, but I feel that this is a fair question that is based purely on facts about the product. It certainly sounds interesting.

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  5. The Iqos is really good. I get the same relaxing effect with it as I did with the Ploom Model Two. There's more vapor and it's not as technique-y as the Ploom.

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    1. I'd like to order one online, but I'm not sure how to go about paying U.S. taxes on it. I'd have to call customs to find out?

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  6. By the way, it looks like Japan Tobacco has come up with a next gen Ploom called Ploom Tech. It heats up probably VG/PG in a capsule and passes it through finely ground tobacco. It's on sale in Japan and the company plans on worldwide sales in the future.

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    1. Oh yeah, that's right. I remember reading about that not too long ago. I wonder if it's an improvement. Merging e-cig and tobacco vapor technology is a smart idea. I've been wondering why some company (somewhere, anywhere) hasn't already done this in the U.S. (...probably due to politics I would imagine).

      Hopefully it will be available in the U.S. soon.

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  7. Now I want an iQOS. Ease of use is a huge bonus, especially for many smokers that just want a simple alternative to smoking that works.

    I was just looking at the Gearspeck on the company's website and I have to say that it looks interesting. The price is good. How would you rate the quality of the materials used?

    Is the Roderick of Toque snuff dry snuff, moist snuff, &/or is it snus style snuff that meets the Gothiatek standard of low contaminants? ..just curious because according to Brad Rodu (professor of medicine and the endowed chair in tobacco-harm-reduction research at the University of Louisville) even though most modern smokeless tobacco products either meet or exceed the Gothiatek standard for low levels of contaminants, there are still a few powdered snuff products on the market today that do not meet this standard.

    If it is up to snuff (pun intended...lol) then making it palatable for vaping could rival that of the modelTwo.

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  8. The quality of the Gearspek seems to be pretty good. It's no PAX but it is really good. I checked out the eCapple thread on the F_ ck combustion site (the Gearspek is a rebranded eCapple) and people seem to have good results with it. Toque nasal snuff is a dry snuff designed for insufflation. It's one of the oldest ways to take tobacco. If you google nasal snuff you'll see that it was the way to take tobacco back in the 18th century. I started with it because I can get my tobacco fix anywhere especially when on a plane where you can't light up or vape. Plus, the flavor and scent of the artisanal snuffs are truly amazing. I get Old Mill snuffs from Tennessee and Sir Walter Scott's in the UK. As far as the Iqos system, I bought some regular and menthol heatsticks. I've only tried the regular so far and like it a lot. I'm hoping that this comes to the US this year so I don't have to order from Japan.

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    1. eCapple...hmmm...I'm going to have to look it up. Thanks for telling me about it.

      I'd like to know more about the different brands of nasal snuff (out of curiosity, I don't see myself ever trying it in its current form intended for insufflation....but if the ingredients could be tailored to be suitable for vaping...maybe) and if they meet the Gothiatek standard. Otherwise I wouldn't use it, but that's just me. If it is, then great.

      I hope that the iQOS comes to the U.S. this year too:-)

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    2. BTW, apologies for the text spacing....it's all over the bloody place and I can't seem to fix it...even when I type in a text editor first.... It's not me...lol...

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  9. Iqos and the heatsticks are being sold by Japanese vendors on eBay. I'm sure that they pay local taxes for them in the Iqos store and pass them along in the price. I think that the local price for just the Iqos is something like 90-100 bucks equivalent and the heatsticks retail for like 4.60 per pack. So maybe 45 bucks for a carton of heatsticks. The eBay price is 79.50 for the carton and between 139-151 bucks for the Iqos. I bought from the vendor who had the most positive feedback. That being said, Iqos is not being sold here in the U.S. and neither are the heatsticks. I was always paranoid that U.S. Customs might confiscate the shipment but apparently my heatsticks and Iqos slipped through the radar. I think you're allowed the cigarettes but am unsure of the legality of Iqos.

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    1. The iQOS is just a vaporizer. I don't see why that would be an issue, as I have ordered snus (one time actually) online from Sweden, though I did get a nice tax bill in the mail that I had to pay at a later date.

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  10. Here's a msg from Roderick on the Snuffhouse.org site concerning TSNAs:

    This is a very sore point as Cancer Research also say it is a very good idea to use snuff to stop smoking.

    Professor Martin Jarvis, of Cancer Research UK: says that the health implications surrounding snuff use are significantly lower than smoking. "Studies show that the health hazards surrounding snuff are much less than cigarettes and the risk is approximately one per cent compared with the risks associated with smoking," he explains. "The reason for this is that by smoking you are setting fire to the products which causes their combustion. Snuff doesn’t have the combustion products which are carcinogenic and all the user is getting is the nicotine."

    I do wish they'd learn to sing from the same hymn book.
    For future reference the amount of TSNA in your average American cigarette is 504.58 and the average TSNA in Toque snuff is 2.23

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    1. Thanks for getting back to me on this.

      The numbers you are quoting are parts per million? Can you provide a reference?
      2.23 ppm is right in the ballpark of Swedish Snus

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    2. BTW, TSNA levels in many commercial (ie., average, popular brands in the U.S...) cigarettes are a lot lower than they were 20-30+ years ago (I am NOT saying that smoking is safe, just stating a fact). Here are some actual numbers circa 2006:

      Tobacco-specific nitrosamines in new tobacco products

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  11. It's ppm. That's what Roderick says according to the lab tests he's had done for his products. That's for his nasal snuff but I imagine that his future new line of vaping tobacco will be the same. How is snus? I was thinking about buying some through Mr Snuff but was curious about the taste. My only experience with oral snuff was seeing people dip Copenhagen and it looked pretty nasty.

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    1. I see. BTW, see my link above which lists the actual numbers for TSNA content for some well known commercial cigarette brands in the U.S.. They are a lot lower than you quoted above.

      Snus is nothing like Copenhagen. First of all, it is a lot drier, and it is packaged in small tea-like bags. It is a bit too intense for me. I would probably like it more if it was compatible with a vaporizer. It would still be strong (but not as intense) and have the higher pH so I could puff on it like a pipe or a cigar, hence no need for inhalation. Other former smokers swear by it though and it is quite popular in Sweden (where there is a long history of snus use has been correlated with low rates of smoking-related disease(s)).

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  12. I hadn't realized that the heatsticks were prohibited from being sold here. Well, fortunately, I have a good supply of them now which should last until Altria is able to sell them directly in the U.S. In the meantime, I can have my remaining Ploom pods and loose tobacco in my vaporizers. I pretty much use my JUUL on a daily basis and augment with nasal snuff which I love.

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    1. I don't know if they are "prohibited" from being sold online in the U.S.. I just know that they're not available (yet) locally or in any major cities in the U.S.. It would all depend on how the the heatsticks are classified (Are they cigarettes or are they not?). Obviously, they are not traditional cigarettes, but we all know how vindictive the anti harm reduction factions of our govt can be when it comes to anything that has to do with tobacco.

      I too have some remaining Ploom pods. I wish that they would become available again (and at a lower price). My JUUL stopped working a while back and I didn't get another one because after awhile I realized that it was irritating my throat too much when vaping it on a regular basis....probably attributable to a high PG to VG ratio. Other than that I did like it, but not as much as the bacci pods. The nic hit is quite impressive though. There is just something about vaping real tobacco as compared to vaping straight nic juice.

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  13. I don't see myself using snus mainly due to the oral aspect of it. The last time I tried oral snuff (Copenhagen), I was knocked on my rear due to the high nic content.

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